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12-26-2006 10:17 AMReport
forgotten-lyric's Avatar

hahaha, plosives are really funny
thats awesome
12-21-2006 12:50 PMReport
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Quoting pogopuggie:
Oh My God, I GET IT! ....that pin spin thing is awesome hahaha. omg hahaha *keeps saying it over and over* whee! give me more hahah


Stop and Top
Scope and Cope

Also did you know that a voiceless (vocal chords not vibrating) plosive makes a following liquid or glide voiceless? Observe:

Rain and Train - the R in Train now is voiceless
Lip and Slip - same for the L in Slip

Try saying them without the T and S.
12-20-2006 10:54 PMReport
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Oh My God, I GET IT! ....that pin spin thing is awesome hahaha. omg hahaha *keeps saying it over and over* whee! give me more hahah
12-19-2006 05:12 PMReport
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I study ARTS! at Monash University. So I'm a crappy arts student. I was a law student too but it was too much effort. My major study is Linguistics which has hundreds of little sub-areas a bit like history or physics, though it's more scientific than other arts subjects.
Aspiration is a puff of air that's released after a plosive. It usually always occurs in English plosives at the beginning of a syllable - when you say 'Tall' you hear a puff or sharp almost S sound with the T. That's aspiration. If you were Dutch, a language which doesn't  aspirate T's, when you say Tall it would sound almost like 'dall' but no vocalisation in the D. Also try saying PIN then say SPIN. Say them both again but this time leave out the S in SPIN and hear the difference. 
What you're describing with 'lip' is unreleased p. The lips close to make a p but the sound isn't produced. The result is we can hear it is a p only because of the previous vowel changing its sound to accommodate the lip movement. Does that make sense?
Articulatory organs -  Larynx (voice box), Phallynx (space around your larynx), Epiglottis (flap  in the bottom of your neck), Glottis (flap over your airway/oesophagus), Tongue, Velum (soft palate), Uvula (dangly bit), Oral Cavity (mouth), Nasal Cavity (Sinus), Hard Palate, Alveolar Ridge (bumpy bit above your top front teeth, Teeth, Lips.
12-19-2006 04:48 AMReport
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Huh? How many, um, articulary organs are there? lol. did I get that right haha. is that lungs and diaphragm and well voice box i guess? is that including the tongue and the roof of the mouth and stuff like that?
AAARG SO MANY WORDS hahaha! cool words though. How cool does 'phoneme' sound lol. I don't get the difference of aspirtated and unaspirated P from your description, So 'p's unaspirated form is 'puh'? what's the other form sound like? like I know that a p will dissappear off the ends of words... australians don't say 'lip' they say 'li-' and the p is close mouthed and more a gesture of mouth movement than a sound. haha. go you lazy aussie bastards. love'm. and yes, it's all incredibly technical and for something so 'complex' it's not scaring me hahaha.

so... semantics are what you find in a dictionary and pragmantics are lol that needs more explaining and processing in my head but I'm going to guess that it's like someone saying 'shit' and not literally meaning poo but rather a bad thing has happened. haha Justin would be proud, i worked poo in to something!!

Where do you study? What's your course called??
12-18-2006 01:02 PMReport
forgotten-lyric's Avatar

i adore languages...im so completely and utterly jealous of you and your studies. please die, tthanxta.
12-16-2006 08:46 AMReport
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I'll try and hide my excitement at someone being interested in this stuff by providing a clinical and structured response:
Phonetics is the study of sounds and speech utterances. Seperating these sounds into their consituent phones and then describing them in terms of place & manner of articulation and so on. It gets very in depth and scientific when you record sounds and speech and then analyse wavelengths and frequencies to find different formants that make up sounds, and how you can tell which articulatory organ produced them etc. It's one of my favourite areas.
 
Phonology is the description of how sounds are affected by other sounds in a certain language. It revolves around writing rules for a given language which describe the variety of ways in which a single sound can behave. For example, in English the allophone P is pronounced as an aspirated P at the beginning of a word, an unaspirated word after a fricative or liquid/rhotic (i.e. R, L, S) and often an unreleased P at the end of a word. But native speakers see it as the same lette when it is 3 different phones: it's a phoneme with 3 allophones etc. Techincal hey!
 
Semantics - meaning of words
Pragmatics - meaning implied by utterances not actually contained in the words' semantic meaning. I.E. Man looks in fridge, says 'oh'. Meaning is implied that the contents of the fridge are displeasing and there is something not there.
 
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Quoting pogopuggie:
Oooh! Tell me about phoenetics... what were you doing specifically? There can't be THAT much to it can there? ...that's taking a word and writing it the way it's sounded rather than spelled isn't it, more sylabically than usual with those little emphasis things like how pinyin isn't chinese, it's english chinese... lol did that make sence or am I a moron?
OMG I know what those are hahaha syntax & semantics is like meanings and implied meanings, multiple things... I think. lol. like... um. HAHA I can't think of one! ...bear! that's one. cause you can bare arms and arm yourself against a bear. hahaha! ...or it is more like bear and bare. oh for f'ks sake. I'm thinking too much now. haha.

Woo history of enlisheth LOLZ thou art to study the hither and thither of archaics! AAARG SCARY but freaking cool.

Grammar is now and will always be yucky. Interesting, but still yucky. The way looking at rotting fruit is interesting as long as you don't have to touch it.

WOO so it has a name! and yes that's what I mean. I ...really think I should study this hahaha I'm kind of really excited about the prospect. Ever since I =SAW= written chinese I've been really curious about it. Never done anything about it, but apparently i have good handwriting hahah. I love the way everything used to be a picture, or a from gesture of movement recognised as the thing or action... and the fact that it's a literal art form.

How cool is it that english and arabic should evolve with curvatural emphasis in their characters and chinese and japanese should be so stuccato!

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12-15-2006 11:13 PMReport
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Oooh! Tell me about phoenetics... what were you doing specifically? There can't be THAT much to it can there? ...that's taking a word and writing it the way it's sounded rather than spelled isn't it, more sylabically than usual with those little emphasis things like how pinyin isn't chinese, it's english chinese... lol did that make sence or am I a moron?
OMG I know what those are hahaha syntax & semantics is like meanings and implied meanings, multiple things... I think. lol. like... um. HAHA I can't think of one! ...bear! that's one. cause you can bare arms and arm yourself against a bear. hahaha! ...or it is more like bear and bare. oh for f'ks sake. I'm thinking too much now. haha.

Woo history of enlisheth LOLZ thou art to study the hither and thither of archaics! AAARG SCARY but freaking cool.

Grammar is now and will always be yucky. Interesting, but still yucky. The way looking at rotting fruit is interesting as long as you don't have to touch it.

WOO so it has a name! and yes that's what I mean. I ...really think I should study this hahaha I'm kind of really excited about the prospect. Ever since I =SAW= written chinese I've been really curious about it. Never done anything about it, but apparently i have good handwriting hahah. I love the way everything used to be a picture, or a from gesture of movement recognised as the thing or action... and the fact that it's a literal art form.

How cool is it that english and arabic should evolve with curvatural emphasis in their characters and chinese and japanese should be so stuccato!

If I sound like a freak it's because I am.
kthxbai.
no
wait.
for only $99.98 you can get this free set of steak knives with your proactive avon excercise ball!!
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